Should I Leave Carbon Filter On 24 Hours

Rikard · Aug one, 2012

I've been treating my fish for ich w/ malachite greenish (spelling?), then per the instructions I've had to take out the carbon filter. I've treated the tank, washed a 50% water change the next 24-hour interval, then waited three days & repeated the procedure 3 times every bit instructed on the label. The problem is I was using ane/ii doses of the medication b/c nearly of the fish in the tank are listed as sensative to it on the canteen, & it looks similar there's a single white spot on a couple of the fish. And so, will I cause the fish impairment past doing additional treatments & non having a filter in the tank for an extended catamenia? Westward/out a filter there's definitely been some increased algae growth on the drinking glass. There's a couple of alive plants & an airstone in the tank as well, if that makes any differance. Thanks.

Oh, just to be articulate, if there's fifty-fifty a single spot on 1 fish does it accept to exist ich, or could that be natural?

Dlondon95 · Aug one, 2012

What exercise yous mean my you lot took out the carbon filter? Did you lot but take the carbon out of your filter or turn off the whole filter?

kinezumi89 · Aug 1, 2012

Many members don't use carbon at all. If your filter cartridge is like a package with the carbon inside, so yous tin can cutting it and remove the carbon, while leaving the cartridge in your tank. You must go out the media in, equally it's what holds your bacteria; if you remove information technology, you'll accept no way to process the ammonia produced past your fishes' waste and it will be as if your tank was never cycled.

Rikard · Aug ane, 2012

The filters still on, just I took out the carbon filter that I supercede monthly. It's a tetra whisper ex30, it says its got 2 unlike filters inside: the carbon filter that's supposed to be replaced & a "bio-scrubber" that removes ammonia & nitrites, which I've left in.

kinezumi89 · Aug 1, 2012

That is a bit of a scam by the companies. You should NEVER replace the filter media, unless it is quite literally falling autonomously. That's what holds all of your leaner! Every time you lot throw it abroad, yous are throwing away your beneficial bacteria and your tank has to recycle.

Do you always examination your water? These results should emphasize this fact, if y'all examination before and afterward you replace the media.

As well, compounds that remove ammonia are non necessary. Once your tank is cycled, the bacteria eat the ammonia produced by the fish waste matter. If you remove the ammonia, then the bacteria has nothing to swallow!

Hope this helps a chip. You may wish to read the stickies on cycling an aquarium, since it sounds similar yours may non be cycled, if you supercede the filter media monthly.

Junne · Aug i, 2012

You lot could likewise get some plain media cut-to-fit pads. I used those in my main tank, along with other forms of media ( biomax ) and my pre-filter sponge acts every bit good media for bb. They just get rinsed in tank water every 6 weeks or when they look really bad ( I check them every other week to make sure zippo is clogging them up )
I concur about the companies who tell you lot replace the filter media every 3 months. Bad advice! They are also the same people who say to but add water and fish with declorinator and that's it! I learned so much past people who are experienced in fishkeeping ( here on this forum and online elsewhere )
Its best to larn from people who are experienced at this

Rikard · Aug i, 2012

But aren't you supposed to remove the filter media when you care for for ich anyway? Wouldn't you take to supplant it once there was ich in the tank? Oh, dorsum to the 1st part, is it safe to treat the fish longer than the canteen reccomends if I'm using 1/2 doses?

And if the tank is going to cycle once again w/ fish in information technology, is in that location anything I should practise to go far easier on them? i.e. compounds that remove amonia.

Tigress Hill · Aug 1, 2012

Prime number volition neutralize your ammonia, nitrites, and possibly nitrates for 24 hours, also as dechlorinate your tap water

Rikard · Aug 1, 2012

Ok, but practice I need to actually use something like that at present? In that location hasn't been a filter media for 10 days, b/c the ich meds said to remove it while treating.

kinezumi89 · Aug ane, 2012

Agreed with Tigress. The important part is unlike the production you lot're using, Prime doesn't REMOVE ammonia, information technology merely changes it to a unlike substance that is no longer toxic to fish, Simply can still be consumed past the bacteria. Perfect!

No need to remove the filter. Then you won't take any bacteria to consume the ammonia! How y'all're treating for ich is a factor, though. If y'all're treating the natural way, by increasing the temperature (which is always recommended first) and then y'all'll be fine. If you're treating with meds, and the filter and carbon are new, then y'all will need to remove the carbon Merely simply the filter media stays. The filter media stays forever! If it gets a little clogged up, take a bucket of water out of the tank and classy the filter around in there a chip to remove the gunk, and then back in the filter housing it goes. You mustn't rinse with tapwater, every bit the chlorine will kill the bacteria.

If yous're unfamiliar with the natural method of curing ich, hither is a great thread that describes it: https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfishforum/threads/curing-ich-naturally.105665/

Edit: Yeah, definitely choice up a bottle correct away! The full name is "Seachem Prime number;" yous can get it at Petsmart and Petco. And put that media dorsum in! (Without the carbon, of course. The ich meds would take directed to remove the carbon, because it will remove the medication from the water, but the textile-y role of the media stays, forever and always!) The bacteria is of course expressionless, since the filter has stale out, but it volition get to growing once more at least.

My suggestions
one. Purchase a bottle of Seachem Prime and dose for the full amount for your tank volume daily, until y'all reach step 3.

2. Purchase a liquid test kit (if you don't already take one) such every bit the API freshwater master examination kit. This is imperative in determining if your tank is cycled. If you lot aren't familiar with the nitrogen cycle, click on the underlined text and read upwardly on it. In a nutshell, your fish produce waste, which decays and produces ammonia. Ammonia is toxic to fish, simply bacteria abound on surfaces and in your filter media that eat ammonia and produce nitrite. Nitrite is likewise poisonous, just other bacteria consume nitrite and produce nitrate. Nitrate is just toxic in loftier quantities, and so we do frequent (weekly) water changes to keep the levels beneath 20ppm. Your tank will be cycled when ammonia and nitrite are 0ppm (because the bacteria consumes information technology as presently as it is produced) and y'all accept measurable nitrates. This is why a examination kit is so important!

three. Buy a bottle of Tetra SafeStart. This is a bottle of the beneficial bacteria that abound in your filter media. Read upward on this thread first: https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfishforum/threads/q-a-with-tetra-about-tetra-safestart.58116/ In a nutshell, here's what yous do:
A. Test your water and make certain the ammonia is beneath 1.0ppm. If non, do a water change using Tetra AquaSafe equally your water conditioner. Other conditioners may cause TSS (Tetra SafeStart) to neglect, so discontinue using Prime number for the fourth dimension being. (Don't worry, you'll get more utilise out of it in the future, then your money is not lost. )
B. Dump in the bottle of TSS.
C. For 2 weeks..nix! Feed your fish of course, but NO testing the water and NO water changes for the two total weeks. Once the two weeks are upwardly, examination your water and if your results are 0ppm ammonia and nitrite and you accept measurable nitrate, then your tank is cycled! Rejoice!

Now that your tank is cycled: NEVER throw your media away! Don't heed to the instructions on the package, they but want your money. If your media is getting really old and is literally falling apart, here's what you do: Purchase a new filter cartridge. If there is room, stick it in the filter housing with the new one. This may require removing the plastic frame inside the old cartridge, but that's okay, the new cartridge will concord information technology upright. Wait at to the lowest degree ii weeks (but more is ameliorate) for the bacteria to commencement growing on the new cartridge. THEN y'all can throw the former, fally-aparty ane abroad. This style, you always take bacteria in your tank to process your fish'southward waste.

Almost the ich again, I recommend treating your fish the natural way, past simply raising the temperature, for multiple reasons:
1. As your tank is not cycled, you should do frequent water changes anyway to go on the ammonia/nitrite levels low plenty to exist safe for your fish. (Really, but 0ppm is safe, but before you use TSS you would be dosing with Prime, which will neutralize lower levels.) As part of this natural method, you vacuum the gravel every other day or then, then you kill two birds with one stone - removing the ich cysts that have fallen off the fish and landed in the gravel, and keeping the water nice and clean for your fish!
2. As your fish have been subjected to a cycling tank (which is stressful) their immune systems accept been compromised - this is very likely why they became infested with ich in the first place. Perhaps y'all bought a fish that had ich and put information technology in the tank; only a salubrious fish with a robust immune arrangement would not have succumbed to the mucus. SO since your fish's immune systems are suppressed, it's a skilful idea to practise as gentle a treatment as possible, if that makes sense. Rather than introducing harsh medicines into the tank, I think information technology would exist improve to only make the tank nice and toasty for a few weeks, and keep the water pristine.

Sorry for the lengthy post, but I hope this clears some things upwards!

Tigress Hill · Aug 1, 2012

I would use it now. What are your exam kit readings?

rivulsevplec · Aug 1, 2012

Offset up you need to get some tests, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate before people can assistance. What fish, tank size, fifty-fifty some photo's if possible. Go your filter going again a.south.a.p, only with out the carbon, this volition remove the medication.

Rikard · Aug one, 2012

Thank you kinezumi89 (& co.), don't worry about the lengthy post, y'all just answered a lot of my questions in 1 shot & now I'm feeling a niggling better. I've got some other problem though, I don't want to raise the water temp too high b/c I've got a few fish in there that would probably be better off in a temperate tank. I added live plants & an airstone so that they'd have enough oxygen in the slightly warmer than ideal water temp (78 degrees), but I don't wan't to brand things worse for them by raising the temp any college. The ich showed upwards w/ some glowlight tetras btw, I really demand to get a quarantine tank.

So if I remove the carbon from the new filter media I just added yesterday & add the safe start (so long as the ammonia checks out), could I keep treating the fish w/ the malachite green? B/c that requires 50% h2o changes after each use. Or, should I concord off on the safe outset until after the treatment, wouldn't the required 50% h2o changes keep ammonia etc. low anyway?

kinezumi89 · Aug 2, 2012

Since you've started the treatment, y'all should continue every bit instructed. Discontinuing medication early on can had bad consequences (such as an increased chance of making the a resistant strain). I don't know of malachite light-green would exist bad to use while using TSS, just more importantly yous can't do water changes, then all the more than reason to wait. (Once you dump the bottle in, it takes a niggling while for the bacteria to settle and cling to surfaces, so if you did water changes, you'd be throwing them away!)

Before nosotros become any further: What size tank do yous have, and what fish? There may be other issues at mitt as well an uncycled tank.

Cichlidnut · Aug 2, 2012

So, I did not read any of the stuff above, wayyy too long lol.

I don't use carbon in any of my tanks. It is not necessary.

I am very against using malachite light-green. It is harmful to fish. Information technology is illegal to use malachite dark-green in fish intended for food. Malachite green can event fish on a genetic level and has an accumulative outcome. Afterward treating, it volition persist in your fish for quite some time.

Heat is the easiest and best way of getting rid of ich. Ich really is pretty easy to cure.

Here's a nice article about curing ICH.

Rikard · Aug 2, 2012

Tanks 20gal. 4 neon & 3 glowlight tetras, 2 minnows, 4 ghost shrimp, & hither'due south the kicker: hillstream loach. That's why I'm reluctant to increment the temp too high, & in add-on to the tetras & shrimp, why I've only used 1/two doses of the malachite green. I've completed the treatments the med bottle suggested, but as I said, looks like the ichs nonetheless around. I didn't know if I could safely exercise additional treatments b/c I was using 1/ii doses or not.

Just to head this off b/c I know what'due south coming.... I know I don't take enough of either tetra, but I was actually just trying to add together some neons & the guy at the fish shop said theirs were beingness treated for ich ironically enough, but the glowlights would schoolhouse due west/ them so I could take a mixed grouping. I'chiliad pretty sure they brought the ich w/ them. Also, I know the loach needs a lot of oxygen, that'due south why I added the alive plants & airstone. He's actually doing fine, he hangs out on the underside of a apartment stone I made an arch w/ during the mean solar day, & scoots effectually all over the drinking glass when I turn the calorie-free off. At i indicate he had a spot or 2 on him & he was spending time by the filter outlet (I'm assuming b/c of more oxygen virtually there), only during the treatment his spots cleared up & he returned to his rock at the lesser of the tank. I'chiliad guessing he'due south fine now & actually the glowlights expect fine also, hence why I put in the new filter media. Then I noticed that ane-2 of the neons (who've been there for a while) appeared to have a spot on 1 of their fins. None of the fish are acting lethargic or eating any less, seems like information technology'due south pretty minor at the moment. But I wasn't certain if there'd be adverse affects from continuing ich meds or if at that place was anything else I could practice.

So, I did not read any of the stuff higher up, wayyy too long lol.
I don't utilise carbon in any of my tanks. It is not necessary.

I am very against using malachite dark-green. It is harmful to fish. It is illegal to use malachite light-green in fish intended for food. Malachite green can effect fish on a genetic level and has an accumulative result. Later treating, it will persist in your fish for quite some fourth dimension.

Heat is the easiest and best mode of getting rid of ich. Ich really is pretty easy to cure.

Here'southward a nice article about curing ICH.

Am I not seeing the link, or......?

Rikard · Aug 2, 2012

Cheers, like I said, non certain if I desire to hazard loftier estrus w/ the fish I have though. Argh.... This stuff is so frustrating sometimes.....

cognizant · Aug two, 2012

The just time I use carbon in my filters is subsequently I've finished treatment to remove the medicine. When I put the new cartridge in with the carbon I cut apart my old cartridge and stuff the pieces into the filter.

Also, I have had a lot of luck treating Ich with Microbe-Lift Herbtana. Information technology isn't a medicine to kill the Ich but rather rebuild the slime coat on the fish so that the Ich tin't reattach itself and eventually starve to death. Also, it was the only time I used a treatment and didn't lose my wheel.

kinezumi89 · Aug 2, 2012

That does put you in a bit of a pickle. I believe minnows may be coldwater fish too.

Is it feasible to set a quarantine tank? This mode yous could either motility the affected fish and treat them at that place, or move the loach temporarily and treat the master tank. Unfortunately the tank wouldn't be cycled, so if y'all moved the sick fish, you'd have to either way for new filter media to seed in your current tank (put new media in with the old stuff, wait for leaner to grow on it, takes a few weeks...I think I may have explained it above, I forget) or you lot'd have to use TSS and expect the two weeks. You could motility the loach and practise TSS on the tank, and so when treating the primary tank was done you could move him and the cycled media dorsum, so the media wouldn't go to waste. But I'm not sure what the smallest adequate tank size is, so that might not be a feasible option either.

Another choice of class would be upgrading and getting a larger tank. (I'm only full of expensive ideas, I know.) If you lot got a new tank that was large enough to house the loach, that could be his new permanent home. Put TSS is, maybe a few new fish yous'd like to permanently keep, and then y'all could treat the tank you accept now using the heat method.

If more tanks are not possible, either financially or space-wise, you could endeavour other medicines that are thought to be more safe than malachite light-green. (I've never used it, and so I wasn't aware of possible issues.) Mardel makes a production called Maroxy which treats fungal infections (which ich is); you could try looking into that as well.

I wanted to add together that I saw some other member mentioning treating ich in a goldfish tank. She said that she raised the temperature to 88 for ii weeks with no ill effects to her fish. Maybe this ways y'all could do the rut treatment, fifty-fifty with your loach in the tank?

Rikard · Aug 2, 2012

I'm just trying to be actually careful with the little guy. When I got him I was but looking to trade in a pleco (b/c I didn't have enough room) & some fish that were a little too aggresive for my tank & become a dwarf pleco. Then I saw the loach which looked really swell & they told me he'd exist fine in my tropical tank, stay small, & eat algae similar a pleco...... Needless to say, they failed to mention the fact that he comes from a fast moving water organization & therefore needs loftier oxygen levels. Betwixt the airstone & live plants it seems like he's fine, just I don't want to make things whatever more than difficult for him. He'due south the only fish I've named & I don't want to stress him out also much. From what I've read the fact that he'southward doing well subsequently a couple of weeks in my tank is a pretty good sign. I recall I'thou going to try that slime coat stuff someone suggested on the previous folio, can I employ that at the same time as the tetra starter stuff?

kinezumi89 · Aug ii, 2012

Unfortunately the but chemical that tin can be used with Tetra SafeStart is Tetra AquaSafe, which is Tetra'due south water conditioner. But the TSS volition protect your fish from ammonia and nitrite while the tank is cycling. Other h2o conditioners such as Seachem Prime and StressCoat (I forget who makes it) may crusade TSS to fail, and then I wouldn't risk it.

Rikard · Aug 2, 2012

And then, I guess I'g but in a bit of a pickle. Can't care for the ich & use the safety start unless I apply heat, & don't want to employ heat b/c I've got a few not tropical fish. Ok, recall this is what I'k going to practise: 25% water modify today, followed by 1 more 1/2 dose of malachite light-green (after removing the carbon from the filter media), then 50% water alter tomorrow per the malachite green instructions, then I'll wait a day then that the dark-green has a chance to hopefully clear up any remaining ich equally it seems really small now anyway. And then I'll practise another 25% or so h2o change, & add the safestart & aquasafe. So I'll just observe for a couple of weeks to brand sure everythings ok, & the safety start has a chance to do its chore before changing the h2o. Sound adequate?

Oh, in case anyone was curious, the loach is named Scooter b/c of the way he moves. Information technology's really pretty funny the manner he just scoots effectually the tank glass & then nigh glides/hovers from 1 side to the other occasionally. Especially when he hits the bubbling from the air rock & he gets lifted like a hang glider in an updraft.

But curious, w/out any filter media at that place's been a lot more green algae growth, does that indicate there's even so some beneficial bacteria/micro organisms in the tank or are they unrelated?

kinezumi89 · Aug ii, 2012

I was going to enquire what his name is.

But to clarify, you don't Have to add Tetra Aquasafe when using TSS, merely if you do a h2o change before calculation TSS, then Aquasafe is the conditioner y'all must use. (If this makes sense.)

About the algae, my guess is that it is considering of decreased nitrates in your tank. You removed the filter cartridge which contained the bacteria that consumed ammonia and produced nitrates. Because you have less bacteria, you volition have less nitrates. I currently have a scrap of an algae problem in my 55 gallon tank because there are a lot of plants and not a lot of fish, and so until I started dosing dry fertilizers, there was usually 0ppm nitrates in the tank. Maybe you're now having a similar problem. If it goes away in one case your tank is back to being cycled, and then that might be the issue.

cognizant · Aug 2, 2012

If more than tanks are non possible, either financially or space-wise, you lot could effort other medicines that are thought to be more than safe than malachite dark-green. (I've never used information technology, so I wasn't aware of possible issues.) Mardel makes a product chosen Maroxy which treats fungal infections (which ich is); y'all could endeavour looking into that as well.

Ich isn't fungal, it'southward parasitic.

My proposition is to utilise:

Microbe-Elevator Herbtana + Microbe-Lift Special Blend + Microbe Lift Night Out Two

Herbtana will starve out the parasite, Special Blend will kickstart a new wheel, and Nighttime Out Ii will neutralize the Nitrites and Ammonia. They can all exist used together, won't ruin a cycle, and work really well.

I take used the 3 together before, and my fish were without Ich in 2 days (I connected using information technology for the entire treatment), I never lost my bike, lost no fish, and my Skunk Loach wasn't afflicted in any negative means.

The three are made to exist used together for the whole purpose of removing the Ich, keeping the bicycle, and not harming any fish.

kinezumi89 · Aug 2, 2012

Ich isn't fungal, information technology's parasitic.
My proffer is to employ:

Microbe-Elevator Herbtana + Microbe-Lift Special Alloy + Microbe Elevator Night Out Two

Herbtana will starve out the parasite, Special Alloy volition kickstart a new cycle, and Night Out II volition neutralize the Nitrites and Ammonia. They can all be used together, won't ruin a bike, and piece of work actually well.

I have used the iii together earlier, and my fish were without Ich in two days (I continued using it for the unabridged treatment), I never lost my cycle, lost no fish, and my Skunk Loach wasn't afflicted in any negative ways.

The 3 are made to be used together for the whole purpose of removing the Ich, keeping the cycle, and non harming any fish.

How about that! I always idea it was fungal for some reason. You acquire something new every solar day

Rikard · Aug ii, 2012

The microbe elevator trio sounds like that may be the mode to go, thanks for the input. I'm sure the directions would say, simply if I employ all iii of those together would I also not alter water or anything for a few weeks so the the bacteria had time to get acclimated?

Oh, do you know if they comport those products at petco?

cognizant · Aug 2, 2012

I think information technology's no h2o change for x days if I call back correctly. I bought mine at PetCo and so if they are still they should deport information technology.

Just think to cut the carbon out of the cartridge, just leave the cartridge in the filter.

Rikard · Aug 2, 2012

Thanks for the help. I'll exercise that tomorrow. I experience better now that I've got an culling to heat or malachite greenish to help w/ the ich. Appreciate everyones patience.

On a side not, passed l posts finally! Now I tin can get back & add to everyones reputation that's been especially helpfull. Sorry if I miss someone.

cognizant · Aug 2, 2012

I would do a water change prior to starting the treatment, then if y'all have whatever other meds in the tank from earlier effort and run a filter with carbon for a bit to become them out. If you take prime throw that in the tank with the water change. Wait a few hrs earlier adding the trio.

Rikard · Aug 2, 2012

I stopped treating a few days agone & added a filter west/ carbon, so the light-green should be out. I'll do a water change tonight, then by tomorrow should be ok to put in the trio.

Rikard · Aug 3, 2012

Hey cognizant, merely want to make certain I got the correct thing. Went & bought a microbe lift 3 pack today w/ 3 different products in it that are supposed to be used together/in three steps. The second & 3rd bottle are the special blend & nite-out Ii, but the 1st isn't chosen herbtana. It just says aquatic stress relief on the canteen, but it says that it promotes the slime coat & contains aloe. Is this what I should be using? I didn't encounter a herbtana specifically, merely this sounded like what yous mentioned, & it was sold as a iii pack. Just wanted your stance before I started w/ information technology.

Oh, would it brand any differance that I did a 25% water alter yesterday & used my normal water conditioner? The carbons been in the filter up until this point if that makes a differance.

cognizant · Aug 3, 2012

The water change shouldn't matter. I did a 75% WC the twenty-four hours before I used it and dosed the tank with prime.

Special Blend and Nighttime Out II are the ones I used. I'm not sure if that third 1 is the aforementioned. Hither is a link to the movie of the 1 I used. That other i y'all bought may work, merely I am non sure.

Rikard · Aug iii, 2012

Darn, this is what I got Well, what I got should safely wheel the tank at least. Do you lot think I could but attempt the stuff that I bought & keep an eye out for ich symptoms? Like I said, I already treated westward/ malachite green & at present I haven't seen whatever signs of ich for at least a day and a half. And the 1st bottle in the pack adds to the slime coat, which someone previously stated might assistance. Assuming that's what I do, tin I use the herbtana concurrently w/ the other products?

cognizant · Aug 3, 2012

I don't see why yous couldn't use the Herbtana with those, but you can endeavor those 3 first and see what happens. I suggested Herbtana because information technology was specifically designed for the parasites, but if you retrieve the Ich is cured use the three y'all bought, watch for signs of Ich, and if information technology comes back endeavour and become the Herbtana. I similar the Microbe-Lift company because it is the only 1 I know of that allows you lot to both combine dissimilar items and doesn't hurt the sensitive scaleless fish like Loaches.

Rikard · Aug 3, 2012

Thanks for the proffer. When I went to the shop I forgot the specific names of the products & but remembered the brand. Since these 3 were packaged together I thought that was correct. I'll give it a try & see what happens. As an aside, the 3 pack was also very reasonably priced at around $12-xiii which was nice. Although yous'd demand more for a tank larger than 20 gal.

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